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An Open Letter to ABC News

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Dear ABC News:

I am a concerned citizen writing an open letter to you and the public, to remind you that it's time for you to wake up and smell the business losses. There is a reason why people are increasingly turning to alternative news media, and it's time for you to rethink your policies.

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{"commentId":1334907,"authorDomain":"hamid"}

This is a follow up to my seed yesterday, URGENT: Complain to ABC Advertisers About Its Ban of Kucinich, Gravel and Hunter from Tonight's Debate , condemning ABC for their deliberate exclusion of Dennis Kucinich, Mike Gravel, and Duncan Hunter from the New Hampshire Debate. At this early and critical phase of the campaign, it is crucial that Americans be afforded the opportunity to hear from all of the candidates, rather than ABC's "Favorites." We need to make it clear to ABC and Mainstream Media as a whole that the people are sick and tired of having to decipher the news from their clearly biased opinion pieces.

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Reply#1 - Sun Jan 6, 2008 2:30 PM EST
{"commentId":1335997,"authorDomain":"eric-albert"}

Screw and Boycott the Corporate media....expose their corporate imperial rot.

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#1.1 - Sun Jan 6, 2008 8:31 PM EST
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{"commentId":1334910,"authorDomain":"hamid"}
To exclude Any Candidate from the Presidential Debates is to confess your intention to underwrite American policy and to attempt to steal the election. This is a crime against the Constitution and the American people. I will put it in no softer terms than that.
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  • 5 votes
Reply#2 - Sun Jan 6, 2008 2:31 PM EST
{"commentId":1336008,"authorDomain":"eric-albert"}

Corrupt ideology murders democracy, and then finally murders people through class regimes and its elites.

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#2.1 - Sun Jan 6, 2008 8:33 PM EST
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{"commentId":1334916,"authorDomain":"hamid"}
The fact that your reporters covering the individual Candidacies were more of a cheer-leading team than neutral, unbiased sources of information, proves ABC to be a non-credible source of news.
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  • 5 votes
Reply#3 - Sun Jan 6, 2008 2:32 PM EST
{"commentId":1336014,"authorDomain":"eric-albert"}

Screw the corporate moderating corporate Hacks. Blitzer is both a class thug and a class whore

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#3.1 - Sun Jan 6, 2008 8:34 PM EST
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{"commentId":1335068,"authorDomain":"fscott"}
It so happens that Kucinich, who you excluded from tonight's presidential debates (1-5-08), is the one Candidate who not only voted against the rise of the police state (Patriot Act), but who also opposes a war declared based on criminal lies, who sought and got healthcare for the Vets when Congress was neglecting them, and who contrary to the lies of the polls is winning as much as 77% of the Democratic votes in independent polls.

I watched the debates last night, and although I thought they were fairly well done, the fact the Dennis Kucinich wasn't there really bothered me. I felt he would have added a lot to what was being said, and would have pointed out some of the hypocrisy shown by the other candidates. I think the discussions would have been much more lively if he was a participant.

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Reply#4 - Sun Jan 6, 2008 3:31 PM EST
{"commentId":1335753,"authorDomain":"hamid"}

I feel the same way Frank,

My cousin sent me a link to a site designed to match you to a candidate based on the issues called Glassbooth ,check it out. I tested 98% Dennis Kucinich, it's sad, he's my first choice for our best hope for real change in this country, and the media has done everything they can to smother him.

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  • 4 votes
#4.1 - Sun Jan 6, 2008 7:05 PM EST
{"commentId":1335800,"authorDomain":"fscott"}

Interesting test, Hamid. I was 94% Kucinich, 89% Gravel, and 75% Edwards.

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#4.2 - Sun Jan 6, 2008 7:19 PM EST
{"commentId":1336020,"authorDomain":"eric-albert"}

Boycott the CORPORATE MEDIA THUGS AND THEIR CORPORATE WHORES!!!

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#4.3 - Sun Jan 6, 2008 8:35 PM EST
{"commentId":1336032,"authorDomain":"eric-albert"}

All those enabling class appeasers, and of their own ideological slavery, are just co sponsors of the same policies, imperial and corporate policies of Hillary, Obama, and Edwards. They all say "change', "hope" while they put neoocon, zionist war criminal advisors in their campaigns to whisper into their ear to continue the same policies, while they lie to the people.

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#4.4 - Sun Jan 6, 2008 8:38 PM EST
{"commentId":1336045,"authorDomain":"hamid"}

Eric,

That seed you posted the other day speaks volumes of the real agendas of the candidates. For anyone that didn't catch it, do, it's truly a must read:

Vote for Change? Atrocity-Linked U.S. Officials Advising Democratic, GOP Presidential Frontrunners

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#4.5 - Sun Jan 6, 2008 8:42 PM EST
{"commentId":1336082,"authorDomain":"eric-albert"}

Hamid:

I am getting disgusted with Newsvine. These links you and I offer, shows the truly criminal and corrupt intentions of our Presidential candidates, with their neocons, zionists, liberal war hawks as advisors, while they preach hypocritically, about "change", "hope' is absolutely nauseating. Newsvine ignores these links, and prefers the silence and denial of middle class know nothings, the backbone of imperial and corporate fascism. Nothing seems to move these people. Not facts, not reason, not principle not logic, not morality, not theory, not history not ideology.

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#4.6 - Sun Jan 6, 2008 8:53 PM EST
{"commentId":1336120,"authorDomain":"eric-albert"}

I know we can keep blaming the class institutions for our failures, but at some point the middle class with all of its culture, and education needs to take some responsibility for their own servility, appeasement, criminality, cheerleading of political hacks based on superficial progress like women and minorities as the new class thugs for imperial empire.
Colin Powell went down, Gonzales went down, Yoo is being sued.....and these class thugs for corporate empire are already trash, discredited because they were its mercenaries.
Obama will end up like Colin Powell, unless he fundamentally breaks from the white corporate fascist, imperial and zionist criminal class structure.

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  • 3 votes
#4.7 - Sun Jan 6, 2008 9:06 PM EST
{"commentId":1336263,"authorDomain":"PamelaDrew"}

Now, now, don't give up hope because it seems at times that few hear you. I have been here a lot longer than both of you and when I arrived the subject of gmo food was still treated as conspiracy theory. One of the tools that is used by the propaganda forces is repetition. It's just harder when your heart is in it.

You have no idea who is reading among the lurkers and who is taking what they learn both from the voices that open their eyes and the challengers. No doubt much of the time it can feel like Sisyphus being condemned to roll a boulder up a hillside forever, but each person comes to the truth in their own time.

For the support that the truth tellers give one another and the ones who never speak but are out there listening, I'd like to encourage you to keep the faith and keep growing the resistance network. On a practical level if you really want to hit these folks where it hurts you can start by looking at what you do with your dollars.

Move your banking to Commerce or other non criminal bank, take it away from Chase and Citi and the money laundering CIA dirty ops lenders. Fitts has a great section in her site about the tools to end what she calls tapeworm economics. You can stop buying the toxic foods, Baskin Robbins, Dunkin Donuts and Burger King are all tied to Romney and the rest of the %$#@ is similarly in evil pockets. There are ten thousand ways to help make the movement grow and it will be the day of Impeachment before the media will concede an inch of progress.

You win not just by getting all the loudmouth idiots to stop spewing their nonsense but when others see it for what it is. Sure it is hard to see often enough but then you see a guy like Forest, a genius and a gentleman, say what he does here, and know for each other maybe it really is worth it. It's a toss up whether you'll love the article or the picture more but no doubt you will adore both.

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#4.8 - Sun Jan 6, 2008 10:19 PM EST
{"commentId":1338081,"authorDomain":"hamid"}

You're absolutely right Pamela,

And Eric, every time I get a little down, I check my Google Analytics Report and very quickly realize that there are many more readers of my seeds than the votes and comments indicate. I hope you're using this valuable function of Newsvine, it's proven to be a very encouraging asset to my existence here...

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  • 4 votes
#4.9 - Mon Jan 7, 2008 1:35 PM EST
{"commentId":1343030,"authorDomain":"PamelaDrew"}

I'm not a techie and don't use any of those things. I did once have someone tell me there were a like a few thousand RSS feeds from my comments, but it sounds really high to me. I'm guessing that's mostly the crew who are paid by Monsanto to watch me. That's the short straw equivalent of peeling potatoes, tracking what I'm ranting about, lol. What occurs to me on occasion is how long it would take a reasonable person reading all my biotec stuff before they're more worried about what they're eating than what's happening with me.

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#4.10 - Tue Jan 8, 2008 7:36 PM EST
{"commentId":1343127,"authorDomain":"hamid"}

Pamela,

You have got to get Google Analytics, I'm sure your numbers are off the scale. And don't you sell yourself short, I always tell people to go to your column if they care about what their kids are consuming, I know most of your "hits" are from concerned citizens. What I've noticed about my column is that the votes and comments don't even come close to the actual numbers, and from 50 different countries no less. It makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. Killfile has an excellent step by step Primer on the subject Here.
And by all means let me know what your numbers are, I'm sure you'll be pleasantly shocked...

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#4.11 - Tue Jan 8, 2008 8:16 PM EST
{"commentId":1352770,"authorDomain":"PamelaDrew"}

Thank you hamid, that's wonderful, send them to get my movie now its finally on dvd. It's everything to understand the whole gmo issue in general and a fairly watchable, even painless 63 minutes. My favorite parts are my snarky jabs at the Congress but then that shouldn't surprise anyone who knows me at all. The goal here is to stop the crime ring called government and let my kids and the rest eat real healthful food.

Maybe the google would be good to try too, I'll ask my son to look at it this weekend. He does all my computer things and has since he was like seven. I keep getting logged out of Newsvine and after a bunch of bug reports and checking by the guys in Seattle, bless their hearts dealing with my tech issues, Mark said it isn't a Newsvine bug. He had some suggestions that my son will need to do to get my system to work right. I will ask him to put the google stuff on his Mom help-list. It is good for me he can still be bribed by peanut butter oatmeal, chocolate chip cookies. I can only do one thing well in the kitchen, good cookies do get the mileage.

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#4.12 - Fri Jan 11, 2008 1:26 PM EST
{"commentId":1354035,"authorDomain":"hamid"}

Great Pamela,

That particular bribe would work on me too. I'm a sucker for the sweets. Let me know when you get it up and running. I'm sure you will really like the numbers...

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#4.13 - Fri Jan 11, 2008 7:39 PM EST
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{"commentId":1335505,"authorDomain":"Jecille"}

He needs to be in all the debates. He is a candidate that someone wants to hear and should not be excluded just because ABC thinks he is not viable.

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Reply#5 - Sun Jan 6, 2008 5:48 PM EST
{"commentId":1335762,"authorDomain":"hamid"}

Right Jerry,

I think it says something, and not a good something, that the best candidate can't be heard and his message is being prevented from getting to the American people. Check out the Glassbooth link above...

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  • 4 votes
#5.1 - Sun Jan 6, 2008 7:07 PM EST
{"commentId":1336038,"authorDomain":"eric-albert"}

ABC.....just another Corporate whoring class and imperial cheerleading thug, and pays off its mercenaries, class whores to cheerlead their criminal elites.

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  • 5 votes
#5.2 - Sun Jan 6, 2008 8:40 PM EST
{"commentId":1336377,"authorDomain":"PamelaDrew"}

The ABC network is owned by Westinghouse, one of the original PCB gang in bed with General Electric and Monsanto back into the depression era if not before. My corporate research doesn't go too far beyond the turn of the century, the last one that is, 1900's.

It wasn't until then that the names started getting lost in the shuffle and the Rockefeller wealth began funding "socially benevolent" causes that the big time deceptions caught fire.

Back to the network BS, its hardly new and all the same corrupt players.

1917 - U.S. Government begins using GE produced aircraft engines

1919 - Radio Corporation of America (RCA) is created. RCA is formed after the U.S. Government gives control of the wireless industry back to the public sector following World War I. RCA gains the assets of American Marconi and becomes the controlling body of the patents belonging to General Electric, Westinghouse, United Fruit and AT&T

Who is on the Board of RCA? You guessed, old Prescott Bush at RCA and of course the petrochemical companies of Westinghouse and GE and the creators of the toxic Superfund sites and makers of weapons that we "need" to use.

Prescott Bush was a director of CBS when the FDR government "requested" GE and Westinghouse /CBS partner to form RCA and "protect" the American airways from enemy propaganda. Voice of America and Radio Free Europe are filled with 'great voices" too but lets try to stay on track.

While on the other side they are funding Hitler and selling the Nazis fuel to keep the military cranking. There's public record of the companies seized under Trading with the enemy Act but the distraction there was another hunt for enemies within, the HUAC McCarthy witch hunts that groomed Nixon. (quote for this at the bottom)

Bush's buddies like Bonesman Henry Luce founder of TIME/LIFE and the rest of the media are controlled by the Yale Bonesmen. Now we go into WWII and Dulles creates the OSS to become the CIA and who are the players that have all the secrets and the media, yupper doodle, the Bonesmen. RCA is tied to United Fruit, the original corporate inspiration for the term Banana Republic, overturning democratic governments so they can keep profiting from being the slave employers and biggest land owners. Fitting Dubbya has a brother Marvin on their Board now, renamed DelMonte but the corporate lineage is uninterrupted. The old PR pro for United Fruit was Ed Whittman related to EPA Director for Dubbya Bush and Christine Whitman was the one who said the air was safe at Ground Zero.

Who is the corporation that was involved in the illegal domestic spying and looking for the executives to get immunity, good old AT&T. Surprise who could have guessed it?

It isn't that it can't be stopped but the American public needs to cut off the funding and much is done right at the checkouts, the rest of course is in taxes. It was clear in the 1930's and it should be clear now, stop putting money in their pockets. One by one, dollar by dollar is how we fight and win.

In his 1935 book, War is a Racket, Butler presented an exposé and trenchant condemnation of the profit motive behind warfare. His views on the subject are well summarized in the following passage from a 1935 issue of "the non-Marxist, socialist" magazine, Common Sense — one of Butler's most widely quoted statements:

I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914.

I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912.

I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested.

Read the Butler first chapter, its short and see how the scam has been the same for generations.

In October 1942, ten months after entering World War II, America was preparing its first assault against Nazi military forces. Prescott Bush was managing partner of Brown Brothers Harriman. His 18-year-old son George, the future U.S. President, had just begun training to become a naval pilot. On Oct. 20, 1942, the U.S. government ordered the seizure of Nazi German banking operations in New York City which were being conducted by Prescott Bush.

Under the Trading with the Enemy Act, the government took over the Union Banking Corporation, in which Bush was a director. The U.S. Alien Property Custodian seized Union Banking Corp.'s stock shares, all of which were owned by Prescott Bush, E. Roland `` Bunny '' Harriman, three Nazi executives, and two other associates of Bush.

KENNETH T. DERR, Retired Chairman of the Board, Chevron Corporation (an international oil company); Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Chevron Corporation, 1989-1999; joined Halliburton Company Board in 2001; member of the Audit, the Nominating and Corporate Governance and the Management Oversight Committees; Director of AT&T Corp., Citigroup Inc. and Calpine Corporation.

Anyone seeing a pattern? Killing for profit, crimes in office and walking away with a media to coverup?

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#5.3 - Sun Jan 6, 2008 11:10 PM EST
{"commentId":1338710,"authorDomain":"energynet"}

The Butler story was so amazing!

Its great that some history gets brought up here once in awhile. Most folks today have no clue that most of what we are dealing with are previous laws that were fought over 60-100 years ago that are still on the books today.

Back in 1998, the Glass-Steigal Act was repealed by congress and Clinton. That Act was probably the 2nd most important New Deal law on the books, and Clinton let the repeal go ahead. He probably didn't even know that the law was put in place to protect us from another Golden Age Proxie War that led up to the 29 crash.

It was passed shortly after FDR let an prosecutor into JP Morgan's personal files and in late May 1933, the Pecaro hearings disclosed that Morgan was an agent of the Bank of England.

Those disclosures, not to mention the head of the largest brokerage firm in the U.S. wasn't paying any taxes, caused an uproar and helped give democrats the public leverage to break up the brokerage-banking syndicates that had been used to take control of all the major companies in the country by just a handful of Morgan allies. GE, US Steel, AT&T etc. were all created out of proxied leverage deals by Morgan and his limitless resources coming from the UK.

When Steigal went into effect, over 300 VP's in charge of major companies across the country all went skurrying out from under National City Bank's proxie scam. That same bank today is better known as CitiBank.

The Morgan and Citibank crowd's were the first to bring back their long wanted scams, thanks to Texas Republicans who were all friends of Bush and Enron!

Boy, how amazing it is to realize that the Enron scandal was almost an exact duplicate of the Sam Insull scandal back n 1932. Insull went down due to a Morgan bear strategy that backfired creating the largest electric utility failure in history up to the Enron collapse.

FDR ran on the coat tails of the 32 collapse, promoting promise of public power and cleaning up the corrupt corporate mess.

Anything that isn't new today, other than the fact that we are threatening the rest of the world to keep us from going down the tubes economically?

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#5.4 - Mon Jan 7, 2008 4:11 PM EST
{"commentId":1339558,"authorDomain":"hamid"}

Pamela and energynet,

Boy am I getting an education here. Thanks so much for all of this valuable information. the American public needs to learn about this history of corruption if we are truly to become a moral nation. It's ironic that the elected officials that we hold as pillars of the community are the very perpetrators of these crimes, and all in our name. Can you really wonder why we are hated around the world?

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#5.5 - Mon Jan 7, 2008 8:17 PM EST
{"commentId":1343059,"authorDomain":"PamelaDrew"}
energynet...Boy, how amazing it is to realize that the Enron scandal was almost an exact duplicate of the Sam Insull scandal back n 1932. Insull went down due to a Morgan bear strategy that backfired creating the largest electric utility failure in history up to the Enron collapse.

Thank you for that, I sometimes feel like the Lone Ranger in some of this 'ancient' history but it is the same group running the same scams. Unlike the past when we had true free press and politicans who could get their views to the public we have corrupt media with a loud single voice and a medicated public that's trusting.

Yes firsty, we have the strongest patriotic propaganda machine and the biggest crime ring hiding behind it.

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#5.6 - Tue Jan 8, 2008 7:47 PM EST
{"commentId":1344065,"authorDomain":"energynet"}

Here's a touch more of history. Not what you are gonna see on TV or in school.

What I think we kind of forget in this modern age, is how far we haven't come. When I was a little kid, I met my great grandma who was born during the civil war, in upper South Dakota where electricity and phones were just a few years from having arrived. Boy did I hate the out house or having to hand pump water.

But, the 1920,'s was a lot like the 90's in that electricity and the dramatic increase of appliances were starting to become available to the larger upwardly mobile middle-class that was starting to emerge out of the urban areas around the country. People were buying radios, refrigerators and other electric appliances almost all of which were being promoted by General Electric Co.

Sam Insull, who was Thomas Edison's secretary when they stole the lightbulb idea from Europeans that had already been demonstrating it, was probably the 2nd most important man in U.S. electric history. He was literally the Johnny Appleseed of electric power. He helped Edison in the formation and development of Edison Electric and split soon after JP Morgan convinced Edison to sell him the company, turning it into General Elecitric in 1892. (Morgan didn't like Insull) Insull went onto Chicago where he developed the idea of developing massive turbine generators, getting control of Commonwealth Edison (today its called Exelon) and building the 2nd largest electric holding company in the country.

Insull's huge holding company, (Mr. Smith goes to Washington was based on his corrupt use of politicians in Illinois) at the peak he chaired over 70 companies, all mixed together in a massive pyramid scheme. Insull who came up with the idea of stopping the collapse of corrupt private control over electricity by successfully pushing the idea of putting private electric companies under the jurisdiction of Public Utility Commissions was able to reverse the nationwide nationalization movement of corrupt water and power companies that went from 1890 through to FDR.

Today, PUC's nationwide represent one of the first and foremost projects that corrupted government regulation in the U.S. Electric power used to be regulated locally. Moving it up to the state level created the first era of lobbyists. By the 1920's, literally every PUC in the country was in the hands of corporate lobbyists led by electric companies. Most of the PUC's had been previously known as railroad commissions. (their work was to sort out what happened to the 120,000,000 acres of land that were given to private rail companies by Lincoln and the republicans. hahaha During the peak work of the railroad commissions, some 200,000 workers died between 1890 and 1917 working on the rails. Another 2 million workers were injured.

Only Nebraska refused to buy into the PUC scam.

Insull went onto to be the head of what is today known as the Edison Electric Institute, and could be found promoting electric appliances at circus like events held in a different city each year. Americans were all in awe of electricity, much as the country was struck by computers in the 90's.

Insull, who had barely survived the 29 crash, was in need of a huge loan and felt the only non-Morgan company he could trust would be National City Bank (citicorp), so he was in the waiting room of the president Mitchell's office when the story I saw stated that two top Morgan captains walked directly by Insull and into Mitchell's office and ordered him not to give Insull the necessary loan to keep Commonwealth from going under.

What is so very very important in this story is the fact that Morgan and his GE empire had created the first super huge corporate retirement fund called Electric Bond and Share Group that used GE's employee's money to take proxy control over electric companies all over the world (Asia, Central and South America as well as some of the biggest energy companies in the U.S.). EB&SG (later known as EBASCo was to have become the AT&T of electric giants.

As Pamela mentioned, RCA GE Westinhouse were all a pretty much tight family. Note that RCA-NBC was built as a propaganda machine to counter the country's huge fight over whether the country should have public vs privately owned electricity by the Morgan crowd. Those TV networks will never ever talk about their past or the real history of electricity and the role they played in pushing the private electric companies.

Probably just as important, the Morgan private utility movement also went ahead and basicly bought control of most of the country's publishing industry for the country's education system and essentially removed the entire public vs private power battle from history.

As a matter of fact, the public vs private power battle was where the most vitriolic red baiting tactics were honed. There was really never any kind of debate. The rich had control of the media and used it to attack public power calling it a communist plot. Why? Because the public power side, had won the debate and proved that it could create cheaper and just as reliable electricity as the private companies could. The best examples of the time were in Los Angeles and Seattle, Cleveland and many smaller communities across the country. In 1910, the two sides were almost evenly divided in terms of their areas of influence.

The ESB&G just happened to be one of the major accounts being controlled at National City Bank. The bank, which John D. Rockefeller was forced to let go of in 1910, was given to his brother, who happened to be a very close friend of none other than JP Morgan.

With Insull failing to get the National City loan, he quit his 70 directorships and jumped a boat for Europe. He was picked up in a international manhunt 5 years later in a ship off the coast of Turkey and brought back to stand trial. Over 200,000 working class citizens in the midwest who had invested in Insull's empire lost all of their lifesavings. Plunging 20 states into an even deeper depression.

FDR took the whole collapse and used the corrupt private vs public power issue to win the presidency. It was his number one campaign stump issue. (ever heard any of his speeches? I bet NBC still has them all in a vault somewhere) He would then promote the formation of the REI (electrification coops for farmers nationwide) the huge TVA, BPP and CVP public power projects. The largest dam-power project in the world is the CVP, or Central Valley Project which was taken over by the rich and turned California into a plantation slave state that to this day has been stealing federal water for huge private land companies.

FDR having passed the Glass-Steagal Act as a result of the May 1933 investigation scandal, also passed another act called the 1935 Holding Company Act that was used to break up the giant electric holding companies (the predecessors of the huge transnationale companies today) The biggest, the Electric Bond And Share Group would fight the Act in court for 13 years but failed. The president of its biggest company (Southern Co), a guy named Wendel Wilkie would run against FDR in 1940, on the front page of Morgan-Luce's Time Magazine. You can research Time's archive and see some of the fight over Electric Bond and Share. but never a full overview.

After FDR's death, when the republicans got power for the first time in over 20 years, they did two things. Renamed Boulder Dam to Hoover Dam and pushed through the two term limit to keep another populist from ever staying in office. The Hearst media empire threw its entire weight behind getting FDR elected. But after the first term Hearst and every major media outlet in the country vehemently attacked FDR as a traitor to his class, yet the public voted him in for 4 terms.

Hoover, the darling of the right in this country for much of the 20th century (the right wing Hoover Institute at Stanford is no coincidence - Hoover was in the first graduating class at Stanford U., the privately funded school financed by one of the Southern Pacific empire's founders) had literally nothing to do with the Boulder Dam and why it was built. In fact, the Hearst Media empire was its primary media promoter with the backing of Los Angeles (they got some water didn't they!) Hoover, just stepped out the way rather than block it, which would have enraged California back as it was proposed in the late 1920's. Hoover was one of the biggest private power boosters. Hearst, who had started out as a people's supporter, building the first major chain of newspaper in the country, would run into financial debts during the depression and be forced in line with the Southern Pacific Machine, causing him and his empire to move to the right and toy with Facism.

In 2005, as part of the Energy Bill that the republicans pushed the reopening of nuclear power, they also repealed the 1935 Holding Company Act which limits each private electric company to a local area of the U.S.

For me, probably the chief reason why Clinton should have been impeached was that he signed an executive order back around 1994 that allowed Enron to bypass the 1935 Holding Company Act (PUCHA), which was to become the largest company in the world by the end of 2003 if it had survived, with one of its goals the reunification of the old Electric Bond and Share Group's electric national monopoly agenda. Remember the the whole deregulation scam that nearly destroyed California? It was going on all over the world, and Enron was its leader, being called the Elvis Presley of the industry! By the way, they had a test run of the whole energy crisis in Early July of 1998, where they pulled price caps off natural gas for 3 hours and watch the price jump through the sky. The 2001 energy crisis was a fake from the moment Bush entered office. It could have ended shortly after he relented and put gas price caps back in place. So Cal lost $17 billion to Texas thieves that was all about Texas gas that was selling New York for $5 a cubic yard, but over $15 in Cal.

It is my humble guess that when California hired Credit Suisse to come in and bat for the state against Texas, it was Credit Suisse (one of the largest and oldest energy investment banks in the world) insiders who found the rather nasty little cash problem in Enron that took it down just a few months later. (Just a guess here)

This is all so very important to west coast history because the daughter of the Southern Pacific empire, had a daughter that married none other than Nelson Aldrich, the man behind the Federal Reserve system and also a good old Rockefeller family man. As a minor reminder, purchase of the Southern Pacific Company in 1900 meant you owned the political and economic strings of the entire state of Calfornia. All transportation, the entire SF and state political machine, the major banks, 10% of the state's land, including a 60 mile wide swath from SF to Portland. Most of Southern California and a huge stretch of land from San Diego all the way to New Orleans.

The SP empire was sold in 1900 to a man named Edward Harriman, who had bought control of the Union Pacific in 1896, merging the first major transcontinental RR into one giant company.

Harriman's son Averil would be a close friend of the Bush family, a huge supporter of Eugenics. Harriman got his money from an old jewish banking network that had started in Germany. No not the Rothshilds, but the 2nd biggest one in the U.S., that was investing over a billion dollars a year into U.S. railroads in 1900, called Kuhn, Loeb Co. They were intermarried into one huge family that got its first major start by financing the north during the civil war.

Literally the entire empire would reach its zenith with the merger of the kuhn Loeb Warburg clan. Paul Warburg, one of the family members just happened to be the primary person pushing the central bank agenda here (Federal Reserve). The Warburg bank today is one of the largest banking empires in the world having taken over the largest private bank in Switzerland in 1998 (UBS). The Warburgs have close family ties with none other than the Rothschild family.

What makes this kind of real time for people who are concerned about the impacts of history might be surprised to know how relevant this is in California today. Back in 1900 when Harriman bought control of the Southern Pacific Railroad company, one of his starting acts was to hand one of the SP jewels, the Wells Fargo bank over to a relative of the Our Crowd family named WH Hellman. Mr. Hellman, who had been the cofounder of the University of Southern Cal (USC) and one of the largest southern california landowers has an heir today known as Warren Hellman.

Warren's daughter happens to be married to the chancelor of the entire University of California today. Warren is the former chair of Lehman brothers. The extended family claims to have donated Golden Gate park to the city 130 years ago. And oh, the connections cross over to Levi Strauss, but also and even bigger fish, Lazard Frere, the largest privately held investment banking empire in the world today. The folks who pretty much control the Washington Post.

Lazard Frere got their start in San Francisco, selling their interests to the Warburg Seligman interests that later merged with the Crocker Southern Pacific clan. The SP-Crocker Bank clan later merged with the remnants of what was left of the East India Trading Company (yeah the Boston Tea Party company we threw their tea bags into the boston Harbor) that today is known as the Hong Kong Shanghai Banking Co. HSBC board members happen to be linked historically to Ford, (Wells Fargo, Pacific Gas & Electric and huh, the Bank of England. HSBC is England's major banker for the middle east and oh, yeah, China! Many of HSBC's board member's are called Lords, because they also happen to city on the board of the Bank of England.

Sadly, for all of us, the whole Nazi hatred of german jews originated around a few families who happened to have no qualms about being bankers (the story goes that all protestants or catholics refused to get involved in banking so the royal families turned to a small number of frankfurter families that ended up being the vassels for royalist imperial money.

As these old empires go, the oldest bank in California which was owned by the Rothschilds as late as the early 1980's was recently merged with the Bank of Tokyo (central bank of Japan) and part of the Mitsubishi empire to become the new largest bank in the world. Yeah, bigger than Citibank.

In summation, if the economy ever recovers in the least, we will be seeing a new national push to merge all of the privately owned electric companies into one huge mega-company now that the 1935 holding company is gone. At the end of 2001, if you may or may not remember, Enron, was in talks with another little known energy company called Dynergy with the plans to merge. Dynergy just happened to be controlled by none other than Chevron-Texico.

If you are at all concerned about energy issues, then there are two balance of trade deficits U.S. citizens should be watching very closely. The first and most dramatic is with OPEC and Middle-Eastern oil. That came about as a result of the 1973 OPEC oil embargo. Us old folks remember those huge gas lines and the dramatic policy shift where everybody remembers Arab billionaires coming to the U.S., not to mention Bechtel and the huge militarization of the middle east. But, the other more insideous balance of trade deficit is with the state of Texas and the areas' near monopoly of natural gas. Many of California's biggest companies, once owned by the old Brittish banking empire were almost completely sold off during the 1990's to Texas energy money.

And then we had the Enron invasion in 2001, the very first act of the current president with his buddy boy Kenny! He's gone but its a sure bet that somebody in Houston will soon step up once again to see if they can put Humpty Dumpty back together again. This time keep an eye on TXU.

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#5.7 - Wed Jan 9, 2008 5:05 AM EST
{"commentId":1346710,"authorDomain":"hamid"}

energynet,

Wow, that's history we won't find in any textbooks. Thanks for all that true history. I remember seeing a PBS Special about Sam Insull, it covered some of the stuff you mentioned, and I remember something about a Pennsylvania company I think that he totally decimated? In any case, this country has a tremendous history of corruption by the wealthy, and we still hold them in esteem. And all of this is covered up from the masses as they walk around being proud of their false history. Ignorance truly is bliss, isn't it?

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#5.8 - Wed Jan 9, 2008 8:12 PM EST
{"commentId":1346878,"authorDomain":"fscott"}

Thanks, energynet. I really appreciate the time and effort, not to mention the research, that people like you and Pamela Drew put into your articles and comments. Very enlightening material - well done.

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#5.9 - Wed Jan 9, 2008 9:02 PM EST
{"commentId":1352984,"authorDomain":"PamelaDrew"}

Wow energynet there's a lot of that story which is new to me like the Sam Insull section and an awful lot that puts many of the pieces that I have into one better connected picture. For me it has been a process of following the money and trying to connect the dots but it leaves a lot of gaps.

What first began to connect the patterns was Antony Sutton's research on the Skull and Bones that goes into the Harrimans and Rockefellers and intermarried family elements a little but starts to show the larger picture. I never knew how the Kuhn Loeb and Warburg links fit or anything about how the Harriman holdings tied to California. I've also wondered about a lot of the California influence that seemed disproportionate.

It takes me a fairly long time to fully absorb new information so I'm going to take this and work with it for a while and see what questions come from it as these parts go into place. It's such a treat for me to run into so many pieces that are new.

I've a bit of an obsession with making things have a rational explanation, regardless of what corruptions or accidents or paths were used to make it happen. I'm with you in terms of watching the energy maneuvers and understanding what a scam the Enron deal was. But I've just recently started going into the public utility histories, and hadn't gotten to the point of seeing what happened on a large scale from the old rural so that piece leaps me ahead enormously, thank you so very much for that too.

I'm sure once I've worked to digest this I'll come back with some questions but now it's like a kid at Christmas with paper everywhere, just happy there's so very much new stuff to play with and dying to get at it all, WOW!!

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#5.10 - Fri Jan 11, 2008 2:19 PM EST
{"commentId":1355148,"authorDomain":"energynet"}

I'm pretty lucky. I helped the Greens write their national energy platform back in the mid 1980's and was introduced to a professor from Main (Richard Rudolph) who wrote a book called power struggle. I'd been doing research on California energy history back to the 1900, but his book blew me away. He's the man!

Then there's the woman!!!

Her name is Sharon Beder! She's a prof down under. She put out a book a couple of years back called Power Play. Awesome. Energy issues are being coordinated world wide within the WTO structure. She does a global history of UK US and the Aussies, also using several folks I've turned this stuff onto.

I wished I'd done my own history having a wiki back years ago. I've been attempting to build up an online library of Cal. History back to indigenous times.

What I've found has me utterly embarrassed to be a European and Californian, for what we've done and continue to do to indigenous people's.

Last thing, as time goes on there is a lot of truth to all Roads leading to Rome... I picked Energy issues 25 years ago. Amory Lovins is a major mentor! I got to interview Hunter Lovins a few years back. She's in Afghanistan working on renewables and conservation there!

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#5.11 - Sat Jan 12, 2008 6:05 AM EST
{"commentId":1357028,"authorDomain":"hamid"}

energynet,

That's quite a history you've got, a true insider's look at reality that most folks will never know exist. And this:

What I've found has me utterly embarrassed to be a European and Californian, for what we've done and continue to do to indigenous people's.

Yeah, the more I learn, the less the word patriotic means. I begin to find it arrogant, there's no honor in killing and stealing, so celebrating the spoils takes on an evil flavor...

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#5.12 - Sat Jan 12, 2008 8:40 PM EST
{"commentId":1357231,"authorDomain":"fscott"}
Yeah, the more I learn, the less the word patriotic means. I begin to find it arrogant, there's no honor in killing and stealing, so celebrating the spoils takes on an evil flavor...

I feel the same way, Hamid. All of this "my country right or wrong talk", mostly from those misguided "patriots" on the far right, is total chauvinistic bull@!$%#.

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#5.13 - Sat Jan 12, 2008 9:54 PM EST
{"commentId":1357337,"authorDomain":"hamid"}

Right Frank,

It's really Nationalism under the guise of Patriotism but I don't think they know the difference...

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#5.14 - Sat Jan 12, 2008 10:29 PM EST
{"commentId":1358042,"authorDomain":"energynet"}

After WWII was when we pretty much lost it. The last folks who really had a chance to do something were the folks who were FDR's peers back between 1945 and 1955. The war machine's propaganda arm came home and got jobs working for corporations like Time Magazine.

Churchill, Teller and Henry Luce from Morgan's Time Mag were primed for the whole Stalinist debacle. McCarthyism was and still is the official state religion of the rightwing.

Most of our fellow baby boomers all pretty much psychotic moral dualists that never figured out you could make a gentle turn to the left and not end up a dictatorship. I'm oversimplifying here, but we really lost our real history when the corporate goons got ahold of the country's school text books. They just didn't think it would be that important to give us any kind of balanced perspective on the battles progressives had with the super rich a hundred years ago. In California it was led entirely by small town republican newspaper owners who jumped ship from the big city dailies in SF and L.A.

WW I was used to bring draw them back into the fold and scare the BS out of them with the first wave of Red Scare tactics that J.E Edgar Hoover got his first set of training wheels on.

We are essentially watching this show for the third time. They've gotten better at it each time around. The only thing different this time is that we've got a shot at separating lies from reality with the internet this time. The enemy, whatever its name will be, is anyone who challenges their dominatiion over federal policy.

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#5.15 - Sun Jan 13, 2008 6:32 AM EST
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{"commentId":1335601,"authorDomain":"nosuddenmoves"}

I think that what happened to Kucinich, Gravel and even Hunter is pretty much an outrage. Corporate controlled media has no right to decide who the valid contenders are with ten months to go before the final elections. It is a network that is robbing Americans of our right to make an informed decision about who our leader should be. Any way you want to spin it, it's just wrong.

If you or anyone reading this would like to let the FCC and FEC know how you feel about this, myself and some concerned voters have created a form on our website that will make it easy to do so. Please visit www.everyonespeaks.com and let us know what you think of the place, or better yet, let the FCC know that what ABC has done is wrong.

Thanks!

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Reply#6 - Sun Jan 6, 2008 6:16 PM EST
{"commentId":1335779,"authorDomain":"fscott"}

Thanks. That looks like a good site to keep us informed about some of these injustices. I signed up for your email list. Here's the link for anyone else who might be interested.

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#6.1 - Sun Jan 6, 2008 7:11 PM EST
{"commentId":1335823,"authorDomain":"hamid"}

Everyone Speaks,

Thank you for that website, I did my duty and sent an email to the FCC and FEC, thanks for making it so easy. I strongly suggest that everyone do so:

Send An Email For Democracy


Everyone Speaks

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#6.2 - Sun Jan 6, 2008 7:30 PM EST
{"commentId":1335891,"authorDomain":"hamid"}

Frank,

On the Everyone Speaks site, there's a great video of Bill Moyers' interview with Dennis Kucinich regarding the debate lockout...

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#6.3 - Sun Jan 6, 2008 7:56 PM EST
{"commentId":1335919,"authorDomain":"PamelaDrew"}

As you may know I'm a big fan of speaking up and knowing that I am heard, phoning has an immediate joy to it so feel free to join me. You found the number on your own though, go you!! The ABC Nightly News desk is 212-456-4040. Just be polite to the receptionists, they just man the phones. Ask for the story editor on the debate or the political editors desk. It's tid bits like this that suggest I might be known for giving people with a voice a little trouble. *smirk*

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#6.4 - Sun Jan 6, 2008 8:06 PM EST
{"commentId":1335926,"authorDomain":"hamid"}

Excellent Pamela,

And a 212 extension, right here in the city I see. I'm calling tomorrow to share my dissatisfaction.

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#6.5 - Sun Jan 6, 2008 8:09 PM EST
{"commentId":1335967,"authorDomain":"PamelaDrew"}

It's a dangerous thing to have a malcontent with a good Rolodex, eh hamid, lol!! I also wanted to thank Everyone Speaks for the link and the initiative. I went and sent an email to the FCC from the site. It is an outrage that the corporate interests can have so much influence.

As long as we're on the topic the folks at PRWatch did an investigate report and filed a complaint with the FCC a few months ago documenting the problem with fake news, where corporate or government prepackaged stories were aired as if they were content being reported.

I'll tell you that ten years ago no one could have made me believe that the bulk of America's information was biased propaganda and now I can't believe they have the gall to do it so blatantly right under our noses.

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#6.6 - Sun Jan 6, 2008 8:20 PM EST
{"commentId":1335998,"authorDomain":"energynet"}

For us poor folks on the left coast, can you get a petition going and phone and fax the results. I don't have long distance nor a cell phone...

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#6.7 - Sun Jan 6, 2008 8:31 PM EST
{"commentId":1336028,"authorDomain":"hamid"}

energynet,

You've got the internet, and judging by the success of the Ron Paul campaign, it's pretty powerful...

Pamela,

Thanks for that link, it's important for the people to know not to trust what they see on the news these days, they're going to have to do some vetting of information on the internet. Always Check Sources...

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#6.8 - Sun Jan 6, 2008 8:37 PM EST
{"commentId":1336041,"authorDomain":"eric-albert"}

ABC doesnt give a whit about democracy and real alternatives. They are instiutionalized corporate fascist imperial cheerleaders for the class state, and oligarchy, Empire, and they are a disgrace.

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#6.9 - Sun Jan 6, 2008 8:42 PM EST
{"commentId":1336065,"authorDomain":"eric-albert"}

Hamid:

the left shoudl join forces with Ron Paul if for no other reason than to expose the Corporate media as the criminal Propagandists for their class thugs and class whores. These Goebbel Propaganda thugs are just the same disgusting deformed middle class servile professionals who serve class dictatorship over democracy.

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#6.10 - Sun Jan 6, 2008 8:49 PM EST
{"commentId":1336295,"authorDomain":"PamelaDrew"}

Right now people don't need to worry so much about which of the handful who tell the truth will be where in November, we need to keep the messages spreading and continue to expose the corrupt players and deceptions. You can't ever control the outcomes in life but you can control the process, keep speaking truth to power and supporting every voice that does. In the end it will all be good, not what any expected and maybe even better than we hoped for. Keep the faith, keep the faith, spread the truth and keep the faith..

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#6.11 - Sun Jan 6, 2008 10:31 PM EST
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{"commentId":1336146,"authorDomain":"ytmnd"}

5% in any national poll, that's all they asked.

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Reply#7 - Sun Jan 6, 2008 9:20 PM EST
{"commentId":1339363,"authorDomain":"lele"}

Did any of you watch Dennis on Bill Moyers Journal? I didn't manage to see it yet, but I'm glad to hear so much outrage for his exclusion from the debate. This election is finally getting within reach and things are heating up!

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Reply#8 - Mon Jan 7, 2008 7:15 PM EST
{"commentId":1339370,"authorDomain":"lele"}

Obviously, I did not finish reading the comments before I posted. Ooopsie. :)

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#8.1 - Mon Jan 7, 2008 7:17 PM EST
{"commentId":1339571,"authorDomain":"hamid"}

Check it out Leah, it's a really good interview. It saddens me that the only candidate with integrity for the democrats is being excluded by ABC. I just watched ABC News with Charlie Gibson tonight with limited commercial interruption, provided by none other than Pfizer. Now we know...

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#8.2 - Mon Jan 7, 2008 8:20 PM EST
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